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Welcome! 3 years 9 months ago #1

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Welcome! 3 years 8 months ago #30

  control_pro's Avatar control_pro Offline Posts: 1
Hi All,
Craig Dawson here - "Smokey" to my friends.
XSharp is very interesting and sounds like a great compiler.
I've been programming since back in the 80's (yes from DBase III and Clipper) and have a business with a world wide customers base nowadays from my VO 2.8 code which thanks to a great compiler, never breaks.
I have attended Devcons in Germany, USA and Australia and some may remember me.
If XSharp's compiler can be as reliable as VO 2.8's, I'll be a convert for sure.
All the best to the new venture and I hope that it brings about success for all.
Craig Dawson.
Control Information Systems - Australia.

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Welcome! 3 years 8 months ago #31

  Otto's Avatar Otto Offline Posts: 141
Hi all, Otto Christiaanse from The Netherlands here.

Getting our VO source to the .NET realm is our goal, Vulcan is our current path, but we want to keep in sync with .NET FW and VS versions capabilities.

For a new (old) language it means that there must be substantial effort put in the product and support. Which means there must be a substantial community and a team with mettle and knowledge.

I have good hope it can unite the communities of the different dialects. If that's the case I have high hopes for XSharp (higher than for any individual predecessor until now).

And I have hopes it can also server and attract new programmers from e.g. VB.

To accomplish this, there must be put effort in publicity and discussions to convince the communities to back this effort.

Best regards
Otto Christiaanse

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Welcome! 3 years 8 months ago #34

  robert's Avatar robert Offline Posts: 994
Otto,

We need guys like you and Craig to promote our project.
We cannot do this alone.
Without revealing too much: we are going to announce a new XSharp Community Program in the coming week. Part of this program will be a subscription system for XSharp, similar to VPS, which will not only cover XSharp support but VO and Vulcan.NET support as well.

Robert

OooO wrote: Hi all, Otto Christiaanse from The Netherlands here.

Getting our VO source to the .NET realm is our goal, Vulcan is our current path, but we want to keep in sync with .NET FW and VS versions capabilities.

For a new (old) language it means that there must be substantial effort put in the product and support. Which means there must be a substantial community and a team with mettle and knowledge.

I have good hope it can unite the communities of the different dialects. If that's the case I have high hopes for XSharp (higher than for any individual predecessor until now).

And I have hopes it can also server and attract new programmers from e.g. VB.

To accomplish this, there must be put effort in publicity and discussions to convince the communities to back this effort.

Best regards
Otto Christiaanse

XSharp Development Team
The Netherlands
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Welcome! 3 years 8 months ago #35

  Otto's Avatar Otto Offline Posts: 141

Robert wrote: Otto,
which will not only cover XSharp support but VO and Vulcan.NET support as well.

Now you're making me very interested!

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Welcome! 3 years 7 months ago #36

  frinchis's Avatar frinchis Offline Posts: 1
Hi everybody!
I'm Carlos Vazquez. I've been in VOPS in the beginning of it but gave it up some years ago. Still using VO 2.8 for my daily work, and not seeing the end of it... From time to time I do some things with C# or Vulcan to overcome some limitations I encounter.
After receiving an email from you today and having a look at yout goals, I'm looking at this project with eyes wide open.
Wish you the best luck and will be around here for sure... Your success is my success, if you know what I mean.

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Welcome! 3 years 7 months ago #47

  Thipacu's Avatar Thipacu Offline Posts: 1
Hello everybody,

I am Nico Pronk and have worked with Vo for years until version 2.73 together with Fdw and a litte with Ed. Before that it was all clipper.
I dont know if i am gonna do something new. It depends what my next job will be. Still I am interested in vo/xbase and maybe I can contribute. Let me now Robert. You know some of my work.

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Welcome! 3 years 7 months ago #49

  PGerard's Avatar PGerard Offline Posts: 1
Hi All,
I'm sure thousands anonymous developpers are reading this post with curiosity. We all hope that VO/Vulcan (All Xbase languages in fact) survives. For that, we need a strong team, which guide us and bring us documentation, support... and we will be more.
I (we) wish you the best. We will be just around, in the darkness, with gratitude.
Patrick.

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Welcome! 3 years 7 months ago #50

  robert's Avatar robert Offline Posts: 994
Nico,

Thanks for the offer.
At this moment almost all the work is very low level.
I expect that to change once the core language has been released.

Robert

Thipacu wrote: Hello everybody,

I am Nico Pronk and have worked with Vo for years until version 2.73 together with Fdw and a litte with Ed. Before that it was all clipper.
I dont know if i am gonna do something new. It depends what my next job will be. Still I am interested in vo/xbase and maybe I can contribute. Let me now Robert. You know some of my work.

XSharp Development Team
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Welcome! 3 years 7 months ago #51

  robert's Avatar robert Offline Posts: 994
Patrick,

Thousands ? I wish that was true, but I am afraid it is more like hundreds (when Google Analytics is right at least)
Still we are extremely happy with the very positive response so far.

Robert

PGerard wrote: I'm sure thousands anonymous developpers are reading this post with curiosity. We all hope that VO/Vulcan (All Xbase languages in fact) survives. For that, we need a strong team, which guide us and bring us documentation, support... and we will be more.
I (we) wish you the best. We will be just around, in the darkness, with gratitude.
Patrick.

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Welcome! 1 year 6 months ago #3217

  JacentyK's Avatar JacentyK Offline Posts: 1
I'm disappointed.
I thought the project X# (XSharp) is compatibility with CA-Clipper and Harbour (xHarbour) to migrating into .net environment.
I has't VO or Vulcan.
If in Core dialect are no basics keywords, types, statments. If I don't us ARRAY as {'1','2','3'}, this product is not to use for migrate from console application from Harbour (xHarbour) to Visual Studio with the .net environment.

Regards
Jacek

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Welcome! 1 year 6 months ago #3221

  wriedmann's Avatar wriedmann Offline Posts: 1567
Hi Jacek,

the Core dialect will never recognize the Xbase types - it is a sort of C# with Xbase syntax, but no Xbase types like array, float, codeblock.

To migrate a Harbour application currently you need the Vulcan runtime until the X# runtime is finished.
If you don't wish to use the Vulcan runtime, you have to wait a bit.

Unfortunately most IT projects take longer than expected - I'm pretty sure you can confirm that from your own work experience.

Wolfgang
Wolfgang Riedmann
Meran, South Tyrol, Italy
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Welcome! 1 year 6 months ago #3223

  Otto's Avatar Otto Offline Posts: 141
Hi Jacek,

Small addition to Wolfgang:

You can change the dialect of a project by opening the properties of the project, and in the General tab, you'll see 'dialect'. Currently the options there are Core, Vulcan.NET and Visual Objects.

In your current project the value is probably 'Core'.

If you want to create an console application, you already can select a Vulcan.NET version. There is not yet for other versions kind of projects or dialects a template installed.


Regards,
Otto

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Welcome! 1 year 6 months ago #3224

  Chris's Avatar Chris Offline Posts: 1164
Also in XIDE you will already find an option to select "Harbour" (/"xHarbour") as a dialect for your apps/libraries. You'll be very surprised to see how much (x)Harbour code already compiles in x# with zero or very minor changes (in this dialect), and yes of course this is including all Clipper datatypes like ARRAY, CODEBLOCK etc (but no PRIVATEs/PUBLICs/MEMVARs yet). You just need to use the vulcan runtime for that for now, until we finish our own x# runtime. You can simply use the runtime from a trial version of vulcan:

www.govulcan.net/portal/TrialVersionDown...abid/93/Default.aspx

and in a few months when we will release our own runtime, you will be able to just replace the vulcan runtime files with the x# ones and no other change will be necessary.

Chris
XSharp Development Team
chris(at)xsharp.eu

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