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Corona and the daily life in Italy 3 weeks 4 days ago #13683

  wriedmann's Avatar Topic Author wriedmann Away Posts: 2206
Hello,
maybe this is interesting someone (and because I think most people of the world will be affected too in the coming months with the same situation):
Here in Italy we have to live with heavy restrictions: nobody can leave his municipality for other than certificated work needs. Companies try to put as much employees as possible in homework. Restaurants and bars need to close at 18:00, and have to guarantee a minimum distance of 1 m (one meter) between guests. The same applies to all offices. Schools, universities, nurseries are closed, all events canceled, even elections are suspended.
These restrictions don't apply to stop the Corona virus (this is not possible anywhere in the world), but to slow down the infection rate to not make collapse the health system (as it is collapsed in the richest Italian region, the Lombardia).
My personal opinion is that the current Italian government was courageous enough to make all these restrictions (may be a bit too late), and I cannot understand why other governments where the infections have superated the number of 100 don't stop the public life to save many peoples lifes.
Wolfgang
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Corona and the daily life in Italy 3 weeks 4 days ago #13685

  Dung Tran's Avatar Dung Tran Offline Posts: 2
Thanks Mr. Wolfgang for sharing the information.Is it harder to be admitted to hospital or do hospital prefer to treat patients at home rather than admitted them? Can patient schedule appointment to see Doctors as they normally do?

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Corona and the daily life in Italy 3 weeks 4 days ago #13688

  Karl-Heinz's Avatar Karl-Heinz Offline Posts: 521
Hi Wolfgang,

one of our problems isour federal structure. Each state of germany has it´s own government e.g. a health minister and so on. So each state can decide in many parts of living what to do within its own area. There are states of germany where the audiance must already stay out, while others still have no or minor restrictions. I´m still wondering why the carnival processions 2 weeks ago took place and were not canceled, but it seems they become wiser ...

And yes, i totally agree: currently It´s impossible to stop the infections, the only chance is to slow down the infections as much as possible, otherwise even the best health systems will collapse.

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Corona and the daily life in Italy 3 weeks 4 days ago #13690

  wriedmann's Avatar Topic Author wriedmann Away Posts: 2206
Hi Karl,
in such emergencies IMHO the country government needs be active for the best of the country.
I'm saying this knowing that such limitations of personal freedom as we have had never applied in any modern democracy, and most people here fully understands and supports these measures.
Of course companies need to be able to survive this crisis, and to maintain their operations whenever possible.
Here in South Tyrol, the recommendation of the Commerce Association yesterday was to close down all shops that don't sell goods that are important to survive, or at least to reduce the opening hours.
Wolfgang
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Corona and the daily life in Italy 3 weeks 4 days ago #13691

  Dung Tran's Avatar Dung Tran Offline Posts: 2
Hi,
Could you normally make an appointment to see a Doctor if there is a need for common illness or is it harder to see a physician ? for common illness , are people recommended to be treated at home rather than going to doctor office or clinics?

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Corona and the daily life in Italy 3 weeks 4 days ago #13692

  wriedmann's Avatar Topic Author wriedmann Away Posts: 2206
Hi Dung,
it depends where you are and how the clinics have to do.... If you have an illness that has symptoms of Corona, you have to remain at home and call for assistance if you need that.
For other illness, of course you can go to a clinic, but most medicians are requiring appointments now.
In the zones where Corona is very active the clinics may not be in the situation to cure because their capacities are exhausted.
Italy has a public health system, paid by taxes, but such an emergency like some Italian provinces will overwhelm any structure.
Wolfgang
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Corona and the daily life in Italy 3 weeks 4 days ago #13694

  Chris's Avatar Chris Offline Posts: 1753
Hi Wolfgang,

We are hearing the news about Italy all day, it's such a very bad situation, I hope it all improves a lot and soon!
What I am really puzzled about, is that common flu every year kills around 100,000 people around the world, car crashes injure a couple millions of people per year and so on, why didn't we have health care collapse problems also in the previous years?
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Corona and the daily life in Italy 3 weeks 4 days ago #13695

  wriedmann's Avatar Topic Author wriedmann Away Posts: 2206
Hi Chris,
the main problem of Corona is that it is highly contagious, and when about 80% of the infected people has only light symptoms, about 10% needs breathing apparatus, and there is no hospital on the world that has enough of them.
In the Lombardia, in the hospitals the medicians need to decide who can survive and who not, it is like in a war.
The important thing is to slow down the infections, so the health system can help.... it is not more possible to stop the virus.
People that is over 65 years old has a chance of 7:1 to survive....
The Hispanic Flu in the years 1918/1919 killed about 2% of the people of the world.... and nobody knows if this number may be higher.
Wolfgang
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Corona and the daily life in Italy 3 weeks 4 days ago #13699

  Karl-Heinz's Avatar Karl-Heinz Offline Posts: 521
Hi Chris,

The corona virus is more deadly than a seasonal flu, especially for older people that have already lung or heart problems. In German hospitals there are 30,000 beds for intensive medical care. But many of them are always occupied by other chronical sick or seriously injured people. Therefore, there would not be much left for those corona patients who need oxygen and intensive care day and night. That´s why it is important that not too many people become infected at the same time.

btw. Hard to understand:

PSG vs. Dortmund no spectators.
Liverpool vs. Altletico sold out.

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Corona and the daily life in Italy 3 weeks 4 days ago #13701

  Chris's Avatar Chris Offline Posts: 1753

Karl-Heinz wrote: btw. Hard to understand:

PSG vs. Dortmund no spectators.
Liverpool vs. Altletico sold out.


Exactly. I will tell you my complete opinion a couple months later, after all this has passed.
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Corona and the daily life in Italy - The South African perspective 3 weeks 4 days ago #13704

  lumberjack's Avatar lumberjack Offline Posts: 661
Hi Wolfgang/Chris and other lurkers,

wriedmann wrote: Hi Chris,
..., about 10% needs breathing apparatus, and there is no hospital on the world that has enough of them.
People that is over 65 years old has a chance of 7:1 to survive....

Well the one issue I have not yet seen mentioned anywhere in the world. South Africa now in 2 weeks have 13 confirmed cases, not much, but I believe the contact was far bigger than that... Consider a population where a 35%+ HIV/AIDS are found. Take ethnic groups into consideration and you have close to 50% carriers. If Corona start spreading in those poor areas, with a State of the Art medical facility that was run into the ground, we can see quite a different scenario compared to what is seen in the rest of the world...

Just my 2c worth.
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Corona and the daily life in Italy - The South African perspective 3 weeks 4 days ago #13707

  Terry's Avatar Terry Offline Posts: 167
We have seen similar things in the past - Remember polio?

Now we have panic buying - empty supermarket shelves and so on.

What we must do is acknowledge there are two interrelated and somewhat conflicting factors at play here, and take action accordingly.

One is medical - concentration on that is obviously at the forefront of minds and suitable action by governments must be taken.

The other is purely statistical: how is the virus being transmitted, what is likelihood of me as an individual contracting it and/or succumbing to it?

Any decision as to what to do should be a matter for individuals to decide for themselves based on statistics provided by government.

Terry

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Corona and the daily life in Italy 3 weeks 1 day ago #13723

  Karl-Heinz's Avatar Karl-Heinz Offline Posts: 521
i just read some online news. And i think at least those who still think it´s still a individual decision what to do the next weeks should read this article carefully. It describes in drastic words what´s currently going on in italy ...

www.welt.de/vermischtes/article206551433...Krankenhaeusern.html

here´s a link that translates the article to english:

translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=...Krankenhaeusern.html

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Corona and the daily life in Italy 3 weeks 1 day ago #13724

  ArneOrtlinghaus's Avatar ArneOrtlinghaus Offline Posts: 161
For me living in Brixen in Italy it's not so easy feeling nearly imprisoned for the next 3 weeks, although it is for our own health. Even going outside for a small walk to take some fresh air we feel guilty. Any sport like riding with the bike, having a walk for some hours, ..., outside should not be done. I as a software developer in our company should work always from home. So I have no excuses for going outside apart from buying what is necessary. Of course I can use the time to go on with my work, I have still enough to do. But after a while it get's boring and I think: "How nice it would be to go out for a walk just for an hour" Fortunately I am not living alone. But let's think positive, we are not in danger doing like this. :whistle: :woohoo: :silly: :blink: :ohmy:

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Corona and the daily life in Italy 3 weeks 1 day ago #13726

  wriedmann's Avatar Topic Author wriedmann Away Posts: 2206
yes, it is really a pity.... but it is very important to stay at home.....
We exit 3 times a day with our dog for a short walk - that is permitted, but alone, and always to respect a meter of distance between persons.
Nobody knows if the next person is infected or not - not even if he self is infected....
Therefore, with all what we do, we need to keep distance.
Maybe I'm particularly in danger as I have asthma and I'm 57 years old....
Wolfgang
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Corona and the daily life in South Africa 3 weeks 5 hours ago #13729

  lumberjack's Avatar lumberjack Offline Posts: 661
Yesterday strict actions were taken by the South African Government to try and contain the impact of Corona. We have now 51 confirmed cases in South Africa.

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Corona and the daily life in South Africa 3 weeks 4 hours ago #13730

  wriedmann's Avatar Topic Author wriedmann Away Posts: 2206
Hello,
now also Austria has very similar restrictions like Italy: only exit from home if you have urgent needs like buy food.
Only South Tyrol (with a total of 530.000 habitants) has 204 confirmed infections and 6 death people.
Wolfgang
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Corona and the daily life in Italy 3 weeks 4 hours ago #13731

  Otto's Avatar Otto Offline Posts: 147
In my village we don't have any confirmed cases.
I think I'll just take daily walks to the woods, avoiding people but getting a bit of an exercise. I can't imagine being stuck IN the house for a 3 weeks. I'm not living in a city, I can avoid people here easily.

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Corona and the daily life in Italy 3 weeks 3 hours ago #13732

  wriedmann's Avatar Topic Author wriedmann Away Posts: 2206
Hi Otto,
both Italy and Austria are permitting movement outside the house, but limited to single persons and always respecting the minimal distance of one meter between persons.
It is strictly prohibited to stop for talks or to form groups.
Unfortunately I'm sure that situation will remain for the next few months.
The isolation will slow down the infection rate, but that will be visible only in 2 or 3 weeks, and then restrictions have to be lowered only a bit and slowly to not provocate a following and harder infection wave (the Spanish Influenza 1918-1920 occurred in 3 waves, where the 2nd wave killed much more people than the first one).
Wolfgang
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Corona and the daily life in Italy 3 weeks 2 hours ago #13733

  Chris's Avatar Chris Offline Posts: 1753
Guys, can anybody point me to reliable data of infection and death rates due to diseases like influenza and similar in the recent previous years? I am trying to do research on that, but am getting very conflicting results.
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