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Microsoft Action Pack changed 1 week 2 days ago #9818

  wriedmann's Avatar Topic Author wriedmann Offline Posts: 1631
Hello,
it seems that Microsoft has changed the conditions of the Action Pack: they have removed the "internal use" license, so software that is part of the Action Pack can only be used for demo purposes, and only if the respective partner has the correct competence.
This is really a pity, and for sure I will not renew mine....
Wolfgang
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Microsoft Action Pack changed 1 week 2 days ago #9819

  NickFriend's Avatar NickFriend Offline Posts: 205
Hi Wolfgang,

Where did you see this? I renewed mine back in January and everything seemed the same at that time.

Nick

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Microsoft Action Pack changed 1 week 2 days ago #9820

  wriedmann's Avatar Topic Author wriedmann Offline Posts: 1631
Hi Nick,

this is a recent change, I saw an article on the german IT site heise.de (in German unfortunately):
www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Microsof...Partner-4467604.html
Another change is that you have no more free support calls, but they are to pay now.
I had tried to renew mine a few days ago, but contrarily to the past years it is not possible to renew it before the end of the period, but only after.
AFAIK your license remains until your current Action Pack is due to renew.
Wolfgang
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Microsoft Action Pack changed 1 week 2 days ago #9821

  wriedmann's Avatar Topic Author wriedmann Offline Posts: 1631
Hi Nick,
II found that:
Change Notification: Product Licenses Terms of Use Update on July 1, 2020
As of July 2020, the terms of use for product licenses included in programs and offers in the Microsoft Partner Network such as competencies and the Microsoft Action Pack will change. Currently, the licenses allow partners to access and use the products for internal business purposes. We will retire product licenses for internal use purposes on July 1, 2020. After that date, product licenses offered through the Microsoft Partner Network may only be used for business development scenarios, including demonstration purposes, solution/services development purposes, and internal training purposes.

in this document:
assets.microsoft.com/en-us/MPN-MAPS-Product-Usage-Guide.pdf
Wolfgang
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Microsoft Action Pack changed 1 week 2 days ago #9822

  NickFriend's Avatar NickFriend Offline Posts: 205
Thanks.

That's going to take some careful reading.... for instance it seems to say that development tools can be used for creating a generic product for sale, but not for creating a custom solution. That seems pretty weird to put it mildly!

Also it says that things like Microsoft Office can NOT be used on an employees home computer, but then that sort of implies that it CAN be used on an office computer??

Nick

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Microsoft Action Pack changed 1 week 2 days ago #9823

  wriedmann's Avatar Topic Author wriedmann Offline Posts: 1631
Hi Nick,
yes, the change of the Visual Studio license is relatively clear - in fact it cannot be used anymore for development if not for inhouse development. I'm expecting that the Community license will also be changed so we cannot use it anymore but will need to acquire a license for it.
Regarding the Microsoft Office license: this says it can be used only for internal use, but only for demonstration, development and internal training. So in future we will need to buy again the Office licenses...
Wolfgang
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Microsoft Action Pack changed 1 week 2 days ago #9825

  Sherlock's Avatar Sherlock Offline Posts: 9
That situation changed some time ago.. maybe they just caught up with you. I pay the MSDN Visual Studio ? what ever and $4400 per annum license renewed last week and I use all the server, systems etc myself.. not sold to anybody. Yes you could say testing like 2019 server have 5 running for own use in datacenter. See no conflicts with license. But was on action pack for years and about 4 years told could not use for production. I think you find the real reason they are killing off the shrink wrap sale market. This new roll out WINDOWS 10 (multi) in Azure for Office 365 users looks good for say Desktop/ back office systems. Terminal server users to a cheap server.
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Microsoft Action Pack changed 1 week 2 days ago #9826

  wriedmann's Avatar Topic Author wriedmann Offline Posts: 1631
Hi Phil,
the reason behind this all is relatively simple, I think.
All these US corporations need money, to keep their stock values.
The income should be as high as possible, and the expenses as low as possible, and they don't ask for the value of their products for the customer anymore.
Look at Adobe or Autodesk: they have only very expensive subscriptions anymore, and Microsoft tries to do the same.
I have a customer that runs an Oracle database on a Linux server for years now, and pays maintenance every year without any value for anyone than Oracle itself. But every 3 years Oracle engages another company to make a license compliance check to see if they could ask more money.... even when there would be a disaster recovery strategy with a secondary offline (switched off) server they would ask for payment.
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Microsoft Action Pack changed 1 week 2 days ago #9831

  Sherlock's Avatar Sherlock Offline Posts: 9
You mention these US corporates need money..
What about Google and MAPS API key.. out of the blue a $600 a month bill for maps.
We turned off maps and forced clients to give us their CC and setup an API key per larger user.
They changed if form like 60000 calls to 25,000 calls..massive reduction.
Then our bill continued to be high and put diagnostics where are these calls.
The Google crawling website creates the map calls. Then we have to modify all the websites not to something if it is a bot. These companies are going to come from every angle to trap you into paying.
See Office 365 client have 6 staff pay the license and staff turn over paying for 10. Delete 4 and 30 days later all data deleted and cannot be restored... contracts, legal documents gone etc. See Altaro and others offering Office 365 offsite backups.. if you delete things in Office 365 and date exceeded, data gone. So this is a cost on top of cost you thought you were paying for say 1Tb of data. We build lots of websites and retired our servers and so unhappy with some of the costs to get decent CPU we have been reintroducing our own hardware servers again for bang for buck, Once these companies have your data they just jack up the prices.
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Microsoft Action Pack changed 1 week 1 day ago #9834

  FFF's Avatar FFF Offline Posts: 617
Well, Phil,
we heard you tell us "Cloud, cloud, cloud" for years. Always had my doubts, as this means, "trapped, trapped, trapped" ;)
<s,cr>

Karl

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Microsoft Action Pack changed 1 week 1 day ago #9837

  ic2's Avatar ic2 Offline Posts: 520
Hello Wolfgang,

It look's like you are right. There's a petition you can sign against this:

www.change.org/p/microsoft-disapprove-mi...tner-network-changes

Here are a lot of details:

rcpmag.com/blogs/scott-bekker/2019/07/mi...ner-benefit.aspx?m=1

A few remarks:

1 Included support issues: I have tried that a few times and despite the costs they are supposed to represent most of the times I have not received the reply I was hoping for.

2 Registered software: I've once investigated what the status is of software installed with an Action Pack key. One would expect this to be invalid once the Action Pack is cancelled or not renewed. But try for example:

cscript "C:\Program Files\Microsoft Office\Office16\OSPP.VBS" /dstatus

You will most likely see:
LICENSE NAME: Office 16, Office16ProPlusR_Retail edition
LICENSE DESCRIPTION: Office 16, RETAIL channel
LICENSE STATUS: ---LICENSED---

This is a legal license, if checked. This is where the business of sellers of used licenses (allowed in the EU at least) is based upon. They sell lot's of MSDN/Action Pack licences.

So I think that if users don't renew Action Packs and do not de-install software they keep using a legal version.

3 This is how it's explained:

The Microsoft Action Pack remains available for purchase for partners that want access to the latest Microsoft products and technologies for business development scenarios such as developing innovative applications and services, demonstration purposes, and internal training.

So how is Microsoft going to check this? Suppose you don't trust having a valid license (as written in 2) and/or you want updates for newer products and you keep purchasing Action Pack. We are all developers so if you use Office and whatever else you install, who checks if we're writing product documentation in Word or testing Excel automation from your application, or use Word to write a letter to your grandma?

Microsoft's technology & actions to check on valid licensing is crappy at it's best so this may be a big change in words but not in daily practice I would say.

Dick

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Microsoft Action Pack changed 1 week 1 day ago #9843

  Sherlock's Avatar Sherlock Offline Posts: 9
Karl

The web where it is at for sure.. however the control is not developer / customer and inhouse.
So hard to get clients to upgrade servers it is cost $$$ move to cloud.. unstoppable.
But with these large USA companies mainly and with TRUP USA first they are really pushing the envelope for control.
I see lots of nations to tax , France the other day 3% . I think it is a move in the right direction.
Shrink wrap box software is not coming back.
See the latest Windows 10 (multi) in Office 365.. virtualise desktop to cloud a TS server access from others setupf ro Office 365. It is all moving very fast.
Phil McGuinness

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Microsoft Action Pack changed 1 week 1 day ago #9846

  wriedmann's Avatar Topic Author wriedmann Offline Posts: 1631
Hi Dick,

There's a petition you can sign against this:
I have signed this one now, but I have my doubts it will change anything.

Included support issues:
I don't need them, so this is no problem for me.

Registered software: I've once investigated what the status is of software installed with an Action Pack key.
this license remains valid, I can confirm that. But the problem may be a license check by an authority...

So how is Microsoft going to check this? Suppose you don't trust having a valid license (as written in 2) and/or you want updates for newer products and you keep purchasing Action Pack
Then I could also buy some of the "strange" keys you can buy for a few bucks on the net. But I prefer to do the correct things, and what can I say when the Authority does some controls?
And you can I request from my customers to pay licenses for my products when I'm not willing to be correct myself?

Wolfgang
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Microsoft Action Pack changed 1 week 1 day ago #9847

  wriedmann's Avatar Topic Author wriedmann Offline Posts: 1631
Hi Phil.

We build lots of websites and retired our servers and so unhappy with some of the costs to get decent CPU we have been reintroducing our own hardware servers again for bang for buck,

this is why I maintain our own servers and upload only archived data to AWS....So I have to pay about 50 Euros a month for about 2 TB of online data (that is needed very few times).

Wolfgang
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Microsoft Action Pack changed 1 week 1 day ago #9848

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That didn't last long - feedback accepted

blogs.partner.microsoft.com/mpn/updates-...z30m2xjjv6i6vup0ns00

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Microsoft Action Pack changed 1 week 1 day ago #9849

  wriedmann's Avatar Topic Author wriedmann Offline Posts: 1631
Hello,

thank you very much!

This is a good notice, so I will renew my Action Pack in the next weeks when it becomes renewable.

Wolfgang
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Microsoft Action Pack changed 1 week 1 day ago #9850

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Hello Wolfgang,

Isn't that great - I publish a petition link, you sign it and Gavriella Schuster withdraws her plans 5 minutes later!

But from your answer you gave it looks like you think I am promoting illegal software. That is not what I wrote. I wrote that the Action Pack licenses are valid licenses even when the subscription is cancelled. Part of the "strange keys" are legal resales, allowed by EU legislation. Like you can buy someone's CD or book second hand too. I am sure Microsoft never meant to allow continuous of expired Action Pack licenses but that is because they don't know how to write software. VS Professional stops working if you cancel, this is what I would expect, but Office (not 365) doesn't as it installs the same kind of key you get from buying the one time life license. If someone checks you can run this little command I gave you and you're good - for sure.

With my remark on the proposed new rules of use I meant to say that it's not a good idea to create inconsistent terms of use. It wouldn't surprise me that this plan was crappy in every respect - including these new terms of use, and it's cancelled for more than one reason.

Dick

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Microsoft Action Pack changed 5 days 17 hours ago #9876

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